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lulusure 祖源分析

【滿族】分享我爺爺的報告供大家參考，在他之前家里不通婚

大家好:) 交代一下背景：祖籍遼寧大連瓦房店（復州東三臺子），瓜爾佳氏，正紅旗。太爺爺和太奶奶都是滿族，爺爺往上不通婚。經幾位大神解讀，應該還是比較典型的，和大家分享一下～
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父系單倍群：O2a2a1a2a1a
母系單倍群：B5b2a1
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Wegene:

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dna.land:
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K7b:

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2018-02-01 ? IP屬地美國

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48 個回復

lulusure

我的結果終于出來了！來更新一波～
我是在23andme做的，等了9個多星期，中間提取的時候失敗了一次，23andme也給我退了錢。還是不推薦大家23andme，感覺效率比較低，因為有很多一部分人都和我情況一樣，有的人甚至等了更久，也失敗了很多次。我也不知道我的數據到底是不是那么準確了。我打算回國再做一次wegene，對比一下。

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我媽媽也是漢族，我覺得我的數據已經體現不出什么特點了，給大家參考一下哈哈～
e11什么的我都測不了，因為版本問題，23andme的數據在這里點位覆蓋低

贊同來自: 柏貝勒 、Jpayne 、mangga 、為什么小姐、WeGene_AA78F7B9

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2018-03-01 ? IP屬地美國 ? 評論 (9)

樂無異

你這個情況其實不難解釋，現在申報的滿族，就是清朝時期的旗人，旗人包括的滿洲八旗、漢軍八旗和蒙古八旗，滿洲八旗就是明末的女真各部以及生活在黑龍江流域的索倫人（今天的鄂倫春、錫伯、達斡爾、鄂溫克等民族），漢軍主要是被征服的遼東漢人，蒙古八旗是東蒙古的科爾沁、扎魯特還有察哈爾林丹汗的部眾，可以說現在的滿族祖源構成是比較復雜的。
清朝的政策，是旗民之間不得通婚，民人就是不在旗籍的漢人，而非滿漢之間不得通婚，就是說，滿洲旗人可以和漢軍、蒙古旗人通婚，但不能和不在旗籍的漢人通婚。所以，這就造成了很多不和民人通婚的滿洲旗人也有漢人血統。

贊同來自: kumotan 、Daisysii 、Pangur 、黎夕夕、WeGene_7F04D7E4

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2018-03-07 ? IP屬地沈陽 ? 評論 (1)

lulusure

更新一下祖源相似性：
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我爺爺的：
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我爸的：
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MrTiung

從k7b來看確實是東北亞了，華北漢族的西伯利亞一般在20-23之間，26的西伯利亞已經接近日韓的水平了

高調的CELF2基因

Gedmatch MDLP K23b is by far the best calculator for detecting Manchu/Tungusic genes, since it uses Ulchi as a reference under "Tungus-Altai" besides Siberian populations. Other calculators just use Nganasan, an extremely northern Siberian people, as the only reference vs Southeast Asian.? It's best under MDLP K23b's population-references to see how much total "Tungus-Altaic" (Ulchi), "East Siberian" (Nganasan) + Paleo-Siberian your samples have to see actually how much Manchurian ancestry you have.? Then compare them with Xinjiang Xibo, Hezhen, Oroqen and Ulchi in the spreadsheet vs "Han_North".? You might get results more similar to Japanese and Koreans than on Wegene.
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It's relatively simple process uploading 23andme data to Gedmatch.? Good luck

lulusure

23andme 更新后：（其實數字都沒變）
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liu7654321

瓦房店的老鄉給你點個贊！

zjw2018

三臺子有個西藍旗，還有條大河能釣魚，漲潮時要小心，曾差點被困在沙丘上/::>

havefun

從k47結果上看，關內滿族和關外滿族有明顯差異。關內和漢族無異，關外明顯通古斯比例更高。但如果參考蒙古族，則即使是遼寧滿族，依舊是以遼東漢人為基礎。不知道黑龍江滿族的結果里東亞和中國南方比例是否會進一步降低。其實我比較好奇同樣屬于通古斯語系的鄂倫春人的k47結果會不會和一些蒙古族一樣東亞和中國南方比例極低。

高興的DAB1基因

您爺爺不通婚只有28%的蒙古通古斯。
我河北漢族也有26%
看來也是蒙滿基因。

huh_li

我們通遼老家確實有關姓蒙古族自稱祖上滿族人的。

很嗨的REEP3基因

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北京漢族，我們很像

天秤的TTTY8基因

E11拿出來看看

lulusure

天秤的TTTY8基因

華東沒過43％，基本排除純漢族。沒有歐印成分說明沒有蒙古成分。鄂倫春和雅庫特已經超過北方漢族的值了。比較純的滿族。不過依然不能排除爺爺往上有漢族成分混入

求醉的PLCB1基因

你爺的和我很像

lulusure

我爸爸的：（我奶奶是漢族）
母系單倍群：B4h
Wegene:

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dna.land:

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K7b:

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E11:

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求醉的PLCB1基因

瀟灑的EPHB1基因

我是漢族，家里沒聽說有滿族人，但是有很高的通古斯。。。

fengshuozai

看來純滿族就比北漢多一點通古斯。果然滿漢一家親

lulusure

爺爺的k12b
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lulusure

我爸的k12b
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不羈的PCAT5基因

你奶奶比你爺爺西歐亞高一點，北一點！

Hazel_841 - MT G1a1

所以滿族其實有比較多的彝族納西成分？也就是說故事的開始可能有一撥人跟彝族分化往東北一路前行？

Jpayne

瓦房店我還去過，那邊老一輩的祖源基本北方人，聽說那里有大金礦哦

j785733046

感謝分享！之前也在論壇上發過問題帖，對自己的父系有疑問。本人祖上愛新覺羅氏鑲黃旗，中法戰爭中家人戰死后遷居南方

Passionate

我和樓主的祖籍很相似，爺爺姥姥姥爺都是瓦房店的，奶奶是法庫的，爺爺和奶奶都是漢族，姥姥姥爺都是滿族正黃旗，烏拉那拉氏。父系C2e2母系Y1~手機打字排版不好

Kylecheng

我也是滿族人我爸O2a2b1a2a1a2a1

lulusure

Gedmatch MDLP K23b:?
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lulusure

My?Gedmatch MDLP K23b

溫柔的11號染色體

謝謝樓主的分享，另外很驚奇，one to many列表里竟然有3個人重合。

藍

請問有沒有爺爺的K47呢？

大凌河

瓜爾佳氏是 O2a2a1a2a1a，還是令我有些意外

lulusure

我爺爺的k47:
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東亞 38.374 %
中國南方人 27.936 %
通古斯語族群 11.982 %
蒙古人 10.012 %
藏緬族群 5.540 %
原始南島語族群 2.559 %
阿爾泰人 2.511 %
馬來人 0.721 %
中美印第安人 0.154 %
亞馬遜人 0.116 %
北美印第安人 0.059 %

zhaoye

我是滿族趙姓，祖姓是啥不知道，單倍群是o-f402

一葉扁舟z

哈哈，你的跟我比較類似，百分之六十幾北方漢族，二三十蒙古語族，還有苗瑤語族，不過我是漢族的

激動的ABCC1基因

都百分之六七十的漢族血統了還分什么滿族啊

酷酷的GLIS3基因

歡迎加入y染色體m7（o2a2a1a2）群，群聊號碼：499423608

迷茫的TMTC1基因

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E11北方成分和您爺爺很接近啊

關大進 - 我們都是來自非洲，為了生存走到一起。

你認識關多軍？高力城的。

lulusure

爺爺的祖源相似性-按民族比較

lulusure

民族單項比較

lulusure

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我姥姥，北方漢族，報告和按民族比較

lulusure

我爸爸的，我奶奶是北方漢族，哈哈好神奇

舒穆祿_納慕 - Sumuru Namu

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